Saturday, May 18, 2019

Catoftheyear on ABL closure: «I think lots of players were just on the edge of quitting Artifact already and just needed a small nudge to topple off the edge»

Thanks u/cat0ftheyear for his time, thanks every single ABL volunteer and Opsy for their effort hosting hourly tournaments, building leaderboard and wonderful main events.


— Do you plan to continue hosting events/hourly tournaments in near future? Outside of ABL.

— No such plan.

— Have Opsy contacted any admins after that message in #admin_talk? Did he hint at leaving before or was it completely unexpected?

— No, was completely unexpected. After his few words in admin chat I spammed him a bit with question marks and he told me in private that it was due to valve's post about the super extra long haul with no updates in near future. And yes, that thing happened like 6 weeks prior... So either a very very delayed reaction, or he just didn’t wanna say the real reason :D

— Was there a reason behind choosing crowdfunding within BTC over, say, Patreon? For example, Weekly Artifact Tournaments chose the last one and there are currently 3 subscribers providing $8/mo.

— There are legal issues with accepting these sums of money over Patreon. With 8$ it's fine, but with hundreds it isn't. I’ll have to fill tax forms for that and things like that, pay taxes in my country which would be a huge cut, etc

— That’s reasonable. Do you think complete lack of donations was because of people’s unfamiliarity with cryptocurrency or is it because no one is actually interested?

— Probably a mix of both, considering the huge player drop after Opsy's announcement... I think lots of players were just on the edge of quitting Artifact already and just needed a small nudge to topple off the edge. But umm, regarding donations.. We were depending mostly on a few select individuals that contacted us in the week after the closure and said they would be willing to put in a few 100s of dollars for some months, so we didn't really count on people to like.. buy 5$ in BTC and donate that

— Do you think what is happening is Valve’s fault at some extend?

— Fault is an odd word in this context. The game dying is a result of their decision to not release content in the near future, obviously. TCGs don’t survive without content updates, but specifically ABL's closure is obviously not their fault. We did not expect them to fund a community project or something along those lines.. Although I saw quite a few people on Reddit who for some reason thought they might. Take hope where u find it I guess :)

I’m pretty sure that if valve intends to get Artifact back up at some point in the future, they will focus on reworking the game, not on maintaining a competitive scene for a few hundred people and no interest, right? As much as it would be nice for us, it makes no sense for the long term benefit of the game (and more importantly, let's face it.. for it to be a worthy business investment for their company)

Source: PlayArtifact.ru


Got this in my inbox a couple of minutes back

A new user sent me this to my inbox, its a description of the events after the fork, with a signed message at the bottom. I've gone through it once but its very late here in my timezone, have to go through it again tomorrow. I'm sure I'm not the the only receipient, but just in case pinging some people here.

https://honest.cash/kiarahpromise/sigop-counting-4528

*** EDIT 2 ***

Before you continue. From the Bitcoin whitepaper:

" The system is secure as long as honest nodes collectively control more CPU power than any cooperating group of attacker nodes."

*** EDIT ***

Ok, I have slept over this.

How big is the chance that these two events, the sigop tx spamming of the network and the intended theft of funds stuck in segwit by an unknown miner, were coordinated and not coincidential? I slept over this message and am wondering if that was one two-phased plan and even this message was planned (probably a bit different but it was adapted afterwards to the new situation, that's why the first half of it is such a mess to read) to spread fear after the two plans got foiled.

The plan consisted of various Acts

Act 1) Distract and spam the network with sigop transactions that exploit a bug to cause distraction and halt all BCH transaction volume. The mempool would become filled with unconfirmed transactions

Act 2) When a patch is deployed, start your mining pool and mine the hell out of it to quickly create a legitimate block. They prepared the theft transactions and would hide them in the (predicted) massive mempool of unconfirmed transactions that would have been accumulated. They would mine a big block, everyone would be so happy that BCH works again, and devs would be busy looking for sigop transactions.

Act 3) Hope that the chain gets locked in via checkpoint so the theft cannot be reverted

Act 4) Leak to the media that plenty of BCH were stolen after the fork and the ABC client is so faulty it caused a halt of the network after the upgrade

Act 5) Make a shitload of money by shorting BCH (there was news about a appearance of a big short position right after the fork)

But the people who planned this attack have underestimated the awareness and speed of the BCH dev team. They were probably sure that Act 1 would take hours or even days so the mempool would be extremely bloated (maybe they speculated that everyone paniced and wanted to get out of BCH) and Act 2 would consequently be successful because no one would spot their theft transactions quick enough.

But they didn't calculate that someone is working together with various BCH pools in precaution to prevent exactly this scenario (segwit theft) and even prepared transactions to move all locked coins back to their owners.

Prohashings orphaned block was likely unpredicted collateral damage as Jonathan suggests below, because they were not involved in the plan of the two pools who prepared to return the segwit coins. I'm guessing that the pools did not expect a miner with an attacking theft block that early and had to decide quickly what to do when they spotted it.

So now that both plans have been foiled, Plan B) is coming into place again. Guerrilla style fear mongering about how BCH is not decentralized. Spread this info secretly in the community with the proof in form of a signed message connected to the transactions. Of course, the attacker worked actually alone, attacked us for our own good, and will do so again, because the evil dictatorship devs have to be eradicated....

As an unwanted side effect of these events the BTC.top and BTC.com "partnership" has been exposed. So what do we do with this new revelation is a question that we probably have to discuss.

They worked together with someone who wanted to return the segwit coins and avoided a theft. They used their combined hashing dominance to avoid a theft. I applaud them for that. From a moral perspective this is defendable and my suspicion that we have more backing for BCH than you can see with your eye by following hash rate charts is now being revealed as true again.

But the dilemma BCH has is revealed again as well. we need more of the SHA-256 hash rate cake because we actually do not want that any entity in this space has more than 50% hash power.

*** EDIT 2 ***

Added Satoshi's quote from the whitepaper.


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Reminder from the Bitcoin Whitepaper: "The system is secure as long as honest nodes collectively control more CPU power than any cooperating group of attacker nodes."

The recent double attack on Bitcoin Cash right after the fork (poisonous transactions causing empty blocks to be mined by exploiting a bug in the code, and the intended theft of all coins locked in segwit addresses by an unknown miner) has been prevented by an alleged collaboration of two BCH mining pools who orphaned the theft block of the unknown miner.

The alleged attacker has sent out a private message to various community members spreading fear by accusing BCH to be centralized and being victim of a 51% reorg attack by BTC.top and BTC.com.

As DarthBacktrack has pointed out in my other threat in his comment and what I needed to remember this again to find a meaningful answer to this allegation is that what actually happened is that BTC.top and BTC.com refused to mine on top of a block from an dishonest miner but instead mined on top of the last honest block.

Remember that it was the quick reaction of those honest mining pools to orphan the theft block, the honest collective of miners that prevented the theft of all locked segwit coins by an unknown miner.

I also want to remind you that Prohashing who was probably not involved in this collaborating effort by the two other pools, mistakingly mined on top of the theft block which caused their block to be orphaned as well and the loss of the mining reward. We should discuss the consequences of these events and how we can try to avoid this kind of collateral damage in the future.

Edited for clarity


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