Thursday, December 12, 2019

How I managed to get Bitcoin SV stolen

Log of events leading to my stupid loss of Bitcoin SV coins.

  1. I discovered the Bitcoin SV in my Coinbase account. The only option they provided for this coin was to send it somewhere.
  2. I wanted to convert the coins to BTC in my blockchain.com account. But they don't support BSV.
  3. I found a site, changenow, that would convert the coins.
  4. Foolishly, I did not test the site. When it asked for the receiving address, I apparently entered blockchains address. The coins were sent directly to blockchain.com without converting to BTC.
  5. Since blockchain.com doesn't handle BSV, they never received them. The coins were in limbo on the Blockchain SV transaction chain.
  6. I searched the internet trying to find a solution to this problem. I could not find a simple solution.
  7. I contacted blockchain.com, describing the problem. Their customer support responded with a description of the situation and several suggestions. Their response was excellent.
  8. Based on one of their suggestions, I decided to use a desktop wallet that supported Bitcoin SV. By creating the wallet with the 12 secret words from my blockchain.com wallet, I hoped the desktop wallet would retrieve the coins.
  9. Recognizing the risk, I basically emptied my blockchain.com wallet.
  10. Since I had used Electrum, I decided to use their SV wallet.
  11. I found it, downloaded Electrum-BSV-4.0.4.exe, installed it. and elected to create the wallet by importing the Bitcoin SV secret words.
  12. After I entered the 12 words, the program failed to connect to the internet, so I tried again, and it failed again.
  13. I moved on to atomcwallet.exe. The wallet it created had its own 12 words, so I restored a wallet with the 12 words. My coins did not appear so once again I moved on.
  14. My next choice was Exodus on my Windows 10 computer.
  15. I created my wallets using the 12 words from my blockchain.com account. Effectively I created a clone of that account. I entered the words manually.
  16. I did a refresh in Exodus and the BSV coins appeared.
  17. Exodus has an exchange feature where you can convert one coin for another. There is a fee for this.
  18. Since I had pretty much emptied my blockchain.com before starting the process, I didn't have enough to cover the exchange fee.
  19. I transferred a small amount of BTC from Coinbase to cover the fee.
  20. I used the program to exchange the BSV for BTC. The exchange was going to take a while, so I closed the program.
  21. When I returned a few hours later I could see that the exchange had occurred, but the BTC had been sent somewhere.
  22. I was confused and ultimately contacted the Exodus support team.
  23. A few hours later the rest of my BTC disappeared.

I worked for a while with the Exodus support team. Despite their excellent support, ultimately the coins were stolen in step 12 and not recoverable.

I made two mistakes as indicated in steps 4 and 12. In step 4, I should have tested the conversion with a small amount so I would understand the process. Had I done so, none of the rest would have been necessary. In step 12, I did not find the real Electrum SV product, but one apparently designed to steal your coins.

Ultimately, I did find an excellent desktop wallet, Exodus, with a great support team. I'll be using them in the future. I also learned more about crypto currencies and blockchain during the process. It's too bad the tuition was so dammed high.


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I have created a new sub, the Bitcoin Controversies Database /BitcoinControversies

I believe a neutral ground in form of a controversies database of Bitcoin topics is needed in which users can inform themselves about controversial actors, BIP proposals and historic events of the Bitcoin space.

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I got this idea when looking at the front page of /btc and seeing the top post being a summary of controversial information about Greg Maxwell. Posted by Roger Ver. Post is upvoted +50 atm of this post. Gregs response in the comment section downvoted -25. Of course.

I say of course because as someone who has been in this space for a while I know the voting situation would be flipped if this post had appeared in /bitcoin. But I believe Roger is banned over there so he wouldnt even be able to respond.

I think this is a problem. Not for us, but for users who have not been in this space long enough to understand what is going on. So what is a noob about to think when he gets to the above post? Mmh, Roger seems to be right, and this nullc character is wrong. Ok. Another noob only hangs out in /bitcoin to check what those guys think, and there this nullc guy is right and Roger is bad.

There is plenty of historically interesting posts that people archive and repost every once in a while, but I have two problems with this:

1) You must be active in the sub at the moment of the repost to learn about the controversy

2) The list with collected links I have here on my laptop is a mess, it would be really helpful to get this into database everyone can have access to

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So Ive been thinking, kind of a showerthought actually.

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I am imaginating a sub that will collect posts in this form:

Why is XY a controversial character?

Why did XY fork off?

Why was BIP XY controversial?

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The content of the posts will link to the various places where these topics have been discussed.

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I still need some time to prepare all this, give me some time.

Let me know what you think.


Wednesday, December 11, 2019

BitcoinControversies has been created

The Bitcoin Controversies Database purpose is to collect and summarise controversial topics of the Bitcoin space that have been posted and reposted in other subs as historically important, in one place.

This Database will include collected controversies about Actors, Proposals and Events.